Episode 10
History at a Cemetery - Lakeview Cemetery, Cleveland, Ohio
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We visit Lakeview Cemetery in Cleveland Ohio. The burial site of President James Garfield, John D. Rockefeller, Eliot Ness, and many more famous Americans.
This was the first video we recorded at a cemetery and it was much more interesting than we imagined!
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Speaker:[Music]
Speaker:so you may not have thought of
Speaker:graveyards as a place of History
Speaker:but with just a little bit of research
Speaker:you'd be surprised at what historical
Speaker:figures are resting in your local area
Speaker:Cemetery
Speaker:this kind of curiosity and other YouTube
Speaker:channels like our friends over at Whit
Speaker:doc Cemetery tours and the history
Speaker:Hunters
Speaker:brought us to Lakeview Cemetery in
Speaker:Cleveland Ohio
Speaker:so Jen why don't you tell us about
Speaker:Lakeview Cemetery and who we visited
Speaker:there sure
Speaker:so
Speaker:what opened us up to this Cemetery
Speaker:because the cemeteries since doing this
Speaker:video we we have ventured more into
Speaker:Cemetery
Speaker:tours because we found them so
Speaker:interesting and had so much history in
Speaker:them but what brought us to this
Speaker:Cemetery was President Garfield 20th
Speaker:president of the United States I worked
Speaker:at the James Garfield house in Mentor
Speaker:Ohio the James Garfield house was James
Speaker:Garfield's
Speaker:summer home
Speaker:um in Ohio it was like a farmhouse he
Speaker:lived there while he was President he
Speaker:had bought it before he was president
Speaker:and after he was assassinated his family
Speaker:continued to live there so I had worked
Speaker:there I did an internship at the
Speaker:National Park Service and
Speaker:when doing that internship everyone
Speaker:would ask me have you been to his grave
Speaker:have you been to his Mausoleum you
Speaker:mentioned that to me a couple times like
Speaker:that he wanted to visit it and so it's
Speaker:not close by Mentor is about halfway
Speaker:between where we lived in Erie and
Speaker:Cleveland and his grave is in Cleveland
Speaker:this the cemetery is in Cleveland so we
Speaker:would have to make like the trip to go
Speaker:see it so I had talked you into it let's
Speaker:go to the cemetery let's go see uh
Speaker:President Garfield but in doing the
Speaker:research for who else is in Lakeview
Speaker:Cemetery we were like blown away yeah
Speaker:and so there was there were some big I
Speaker:mean there are some names that I even
Speaker:knew a couple that I didn't I kind of
Speaker:had to be reminded sure but but to put
Speaker:this all in context when Jen says
Speaker:hey we had we did more Cemetery you know
Speaker:Winston started going to cemeteries more
Speaker:and did more Cemetery tours I had never
Speaker:once yeah
Speaker:thought of going to a cemetery to like
Speaker:learn history yeah right so there was
Speaker:Arlington we had done Arlington just
Speaker:before this yes and this was after it
Speaker:and it was and really the the driver was
Speaker:because you were working at the James
Speaker:Garfield Presidential Library yeah James
Speaker:Garfield house yes and so when we
Speaker:finally went down there so tell why
Speaker:don't you tell our listeners about some
Speaker:of the other kind of Larger than Life
Speaker:historical figures that are buried at
Speaker:this Cemetery in Cleveland it's amazing
Speaker:because there if you get onto their
Speaker:website they have kind of like a mission
Speaker:statement and it's like Lakeview
Speaker:Cemetery is committed to providing
Speaker:internment services to all Races and
Speaker:religions
Speaker:while preserving its grounds and status
Speaker:as a nationally recognized landmark of
Speaker:historical significance now I just read
Speaker:that and that's kind of the conclusion
Speaker:we come to just by being there just by
Speaker:being there I was like these are people
Speaker:of all Races these are people of all
Speaker:religions these are people of all these
Speaker:classes I say this because the richest
Speaker:man in America
Speaker:for for years is buried in Lakeview
Speaker:Cemetery John D Rockefeller is buried in
Speaker:Lakeview Cemetery and then you also get
Speaker:like the first African-American mayor of
Speaker:a major city is buried in Lakeview
Speaker:Cemetery and then we're getting like a
Speaker:Lawman Elliot Ness is buried in Lakeview
Speaker:Cemetery so these huge historic figures
Speaker:are coming out at us in this one place
Speaker:of burial yeah and again for if you
Speaker:don't recognize those names right off
Speaker:the bat this is John D Rockefeller of
Speaker:railroads and oil and and
Speaker:Rockefeller Center in New York like he
Speaker:built that yeah his son built it is his
Speaker:money yeah his money his you know all
Speaker:his work right the major first black
Speaker:mayor of a major city yeah you know
Speaker:um Elliot Ness so if you've ever seen
Speaker:The Untouchables you know for me I knew
Speaker:Elliot from a Tupac song yeah you know
Speaker:you had no idea who he was I I had I had
Speaker:no idea but I had actually seen the
Speaker:movie
Speaker:um it's a Sean Connery and Kevin Costner
Speaker:movie so there's some there's some
Speaker:there's some really not just the
Speaker:president it's all these other people
Speaker:yeah and so it opened in 1869
Speaker:um and it's still in use today has
Speaker:interesting monuments like there was
Speaker:like a a crying lady Monument by the
Speaker:lake and that was actually a lot more
Speaker:famous than I realized yes and they have
Speaker:like they have very interesting
Speaker:tombstones like we'll talk about Alan
Speaker:freed and his Tombstone looks like a
Speaker:jukebox yeah the the Allen Friedman was
Speaker:really interesting the crying lady so
Speaker:it's basically looks like an she kind of
Speaker:looks like an angel I don't know if
Speaker:she's got the wings yeah but for some
Speaker:reason it's that kind of classic kind of
Speaker:rusty green yes and for some reason the
Speaker:patina makes it looks like she's got
Speaker:tears so it's very artistic and very
Speaker:it's it's very emotional yes it was and
Speaker:then when I started doing the video and
Speaker:making this video video for YouTube I
Speaker:was like this is actually really well
Speaker:known it is and it's actually so
Speaker:different cemeteries have different
Speaker:missions I would say and Lakeview
Speaker:cemetery's mission is really to be in
Speaker:the community they want Community
Speaker:involvement they have a whole I mean we
Speaker:see you'll see it in our video they have
Speaker:a whole daffodil Hill and they want
Speaker:people to visit it they want people to
Speaker:drive in their Cemetery take pictures
Speaker:they want people to walk they want
Speaker:people to picnic they want people to
Speaker:kids to play like they encourage that
Speaker:behavior where you'll get other
Speaker:cemeteries who very much discourage that
Speaker:behavior Arlington is one of them so you
Speaker:have to be very aware of what the
Speaker:cemetery's purpose and what their
Speaker:mission is trying to accomplish this was
Speaker:much more of and we'll go into some of
Speaker:the characters but just up front this
Speaker:was much more of a tourist destination
Speaker:and even the people there when we were
Speaker:walking around visiting like they just
Speaker:started chatting with us you know and
Speaker:they and they saw that we were making
Speaker:videos and nobody was really bothered by
Speaker:it I think it's one of the first times
Speaker:we handed out our business card that's
Speaker:right yeah that's right
Speaker:um so so Jen who are the some of the
Speaker:first kind of historical figures where
Speaker:we're going to be talking a little bit
Speaker:about who do we see there
Speaker:well so one of the ones I really wanted
Speaker:to talk about was Ray Chapman and Ray
Speaker:Chapman was a baseball player he played
Speaker:for the Cleveland Indians and he was the
Speaker:only major league baseball player who
Speaker:has died from an injury of a ball during
Speaker:a game
Speaker:and he was hit in the head with a
Speaker:baseball this is this is 30 years before
Speaker:helmets before so it's even after 30
Speaker:years after he's hit and killed they
Speaker:still don't introduce helmets and he is
Speaker:hit by a Yankee player a pitcher named
Speaker:Carl Mays and Carl Mays had the
Speaker:reputation for being kind of a wild
Speaker:pitcher anyway but after he kills Ray
Speaker:Chapman
Speaker:um
Speaker:his reputation pretty much goes downhill
Speaker:from there but um and that grave like I
Speaker:mean I had all sorts of stuff around it
Speaker:baseballs and gloves yeah and people
Speaker:bought pennants like Cleveland Indian
Speaker:pennants that's right and people were
Speaker:that's those are the people who we gave
Speaker:our card to yeah people were visiting
Speaker:that grave so people come there for that
Speaker:grave and
Speaker:you know he was only 29 years old he was
Speaker:very young and what I found interesting
Speaker:about him
Speaker:is
Speaker:he his wife is pregnant when he dies and
Speaker:she has a daughter and they she gets
Speaker:remarried to a man in California and she
Speaker:ends up never really recovering from her
Speaker:husband's death and she ends up passing
Speaker:away where her husband in California
Speaker:just has her sent back to Cleveland and
Speaker:buried in Calgary Cemetery and why visit
Speaker:Calgary Cemetery in the Cleveland torso
Speaker:killer video oh and then the daughter
Speaker:actually she dies not long after at
Speaker:eight years old from measles oh my gosh
Speaker:and she's actually buried in Calvary
Speaker:Cemetery too so I I sometimes find it
Speaker:sad when families are separated I feel
Speaker:like they should be buried with Ray
Speaker:Chapman you know so that's kind of like
Speaker:something that I you know just
Speaker:I always like to look at find a grave
Speaker:and the connections people still have
Speaker:sure
Speaker:um but no Ray Chapman is a very popular
Speaker:grade because he was killed by a
Speaker:baseball in a major league game I think
Speaker:he was pretty close to the radio DJ
Speaker:no
Speaker:the rate of DJ is close to eliotness
Speaker:that's right that's right yeah
Speaker:so
Speaker:Elliot nass we can talk about Elliot
Speaker:Ness a little bit so I was so excited
Speaker:we're so excited because I loved the
Speaker:Untouchables so if anyone has seen that
Speaker:movie with Kevin Costner and Sean
Speaker:Connery to me it's probably one of Sean
Speaker:Connery's best roles he wins the Academy
Speaker:Award for it for best supporting yes his
Speaker:only Academy Award if he wins it for The
Speaker:Untouchables yeah and he has the great
Speaker:line we put it in the video like how far
Speaker:are you willing to go yeah like you want
Speaker:to take down Al Capone what are you
Speaker:prepared to do yeah because you've got
Speaker:to go all the way yeah that's a classic
Speaker:it's a classic kind of monster era movie
Speaker:but for the cops per se from the cops
Speaker:yes right now the sad thing about The
Speaker:Untouchables is most of it is highly
Speaker:historically inaccurate the movie the
Speaker:movie no they're actually I mean there
Speaker:was a group right Elliot and S like they
Speaker:were actually him and like his his other
Speaker:kind of straight stick cops he had a
Speaker:small team and they were the they were
Speaker:anti-prohibitionists so what they did
Speaker:what he did basically is he did
Speaker:he was he was brought in to take down Al
Speaker:Capone and how they did then what they
Speaker:did is they basically cut out the
Speaker:middleman with his alcohol Supply and
Speaker:that's what they did and they kind of
Speaker:show that in the movie A little bit yeah
Speaker:and as they're doing that the problem is
Speaker:when they try to bring them up on
Speaker:charges of um you know prohibition is
Speaker:the the judge is paid off right and
Speaker:that's what happens in real life right
Speaker:because because Capone had paid
Speaker:everybody off cops judges so what
Speaker:happens is they actually are actually
Speaker:they actually are able to bring them up
Speaker:on tax evasion charges and uh Elliot
Speaker:Eliot ness's brother works for the
Speaker:treasury and Elliot Ness is actually
Speaker:working for the treasury at this time as
Speaker:well and
Speaker:um it's actually the the three charges
Speaker:stick and he gets sent to prison for 11
Speaker:years and there is one moment when Ness
Speaker:and Capone actually meet I think it's
Speaker:when Ness takes Capone from the jail and
Speaker:puts them on a plane to go to another
Speaker:bigger prison yeah it's the one time
Speaker:they're actually like in the same
Speaker:space but the whole point of The
Speaker:Untouchables and This this term was
Speaker:coined by the Chicago newspaper for the
Speaker:six men that Ness gets around him is
Speaker:they can't be bought right Capone can't
Speaker:pay them off yeah and so they're
Speaker:Untouchable by and they try to show the
Speaker:corruption they try to kind of explain
Speaker:why they're called The Untouchables yeah
Speaker:and so that kind of really makes Elliot
Speaker:ness's career
Speaker:he moves on to Cleveland so this is this
Speaker:is what opens us up to like why is he in
Speaker:Cleveland why is Elena that made no
Speaker:sense he's from Chicago right this whole
Speaker:Al Capone case is Chicago yeah he comes
Speaker:to Cleveland after he's hired a safety
Speaker:director and
Speaker:the serial killer starts operating yeah
Speaker:which is another video it's another
Speaker:video and we'll talk about it on another
Speaker:podcast and long story short he sees
Speaker:unsuccessful in Catching him yeah it
Speaker:becomes it tarnishes his career and he
Speaker:ends up going he ends up working for
Speaker:like a counterfeit company in
Speaker:Pennsylvania
Speaker:and uh he he dies of a heart attack very
Speaker:young 54 years old and he dies
Speaker:relatively obscure and then a book comes
Speaker:out about two years later called The
Speaker:Untouchables yeah and his whole life is
Speaker:made TV show comes out a movie comes out
Speaker:Elliot Ness gains notoriety he's in a
Speaker:song yeah right and now you think it now
Speaker:he would never recognize the the
Speaker:famousness that he has because he wasn't
Speaker:that famous back then he was very he was
Speaker:very tarnished and discouraged after
Speaker:what happens in Cleveland yeah
Speaker:so um and he was a alcoholic he was he
Speaker:was drinking a lot because again he felt
Speaker:very he couldn't solve that last case
Speaker:and he burns down that shanty town and
Speaker:that really just yeah and we'll and
Speaker:we'll talk about that yeah but that's in
Speaker:another video
Speaker:and we'll talk about that on another
Speaker:podcast so again so we mentioned earlier
Speaker:that uh Alan freed his grave is like
Speaker:across the street so right there so
Speaker:Elliot Ness
Speaker:if you see his Tombstone just so we can
Speaker:color a cover Elliot so fast he's
Speaker:actually not buried he's that's right
Speaker:his ashes are there and they're not
Speaker:actually even by the tombstone they're
Speaker:in the lake yeah and the police
Speaker:department spread his ashes in the lake
Speaker:yeah in this Cemetery in the cemetery so
Speaker:the tombstone is just kind of like a to
Speaker:mark that his marker for him yeah yeah
Speaker:his ashes are close by yeah but not
Speaker:actually there and then close to that
Speaker:lake is also Allen freed and Alan freed
Speaker:is the whole reason why the Rock and
Speaker:Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland yep so
Speaker:he was a disc jockey to play
Speaker:African-American music and give credit
Speaker:to African-American artists I don't
Speaker:think I realized that and so he coins
Speaker:the term rock and roll he comes up with
Speaker:that term and that is the whole reason
Speaker:it's in Cleveland because Cleveland's
Speaker:invented he was pretty big back in the
Speaker:time because even when I was making a
Speaker:video yeah I could Google something on
Speaker:YouTube If you Google him on YouTube you
Speaker:can find his old sure TV shows so after
Speaker:he does that he starts having big
Speaker:concerts and I think one of the things
Speaker:on his tombstones is one of the concerts
Speaker:he had one of the first the first Rock
Speaker:and Roll concert was in Cleveland then
Speaker:he gets hired by bigger TV shows he kind
Speaker:of does a lot of what de Clark does with
Speaker:the American Bandstand but Alan Freed's
Speaker:career is ruined with um he is part of
Speaker:the Scandal where he's paid by certain
Speaker:record labels to play their artists
Speaker:um records right and he does it and so
Speaker:it's a huge Scandal he's discredited in
Speaker:the community he's totally ruined and he
Speaker:ends up dying young of again alcoholism
Speaker:so and his name is very tarnished where
Speaker:people don't associate Alan Reed with
Speaker:the same type of
Speaker:um stardom as dick is De Clark right
Speaker:even though it's really Alan freed who's
Speaker:who sets the stage for Dick Clark so but
Speaker:Alan freed unfortunately that Scandal
Speaker:just yeah and just you know if if you're
Speaker:if you're less interested in this
Speaker:historical aspect and you let's say you
Speaker:live in the Cleveland area and you're
Speaker:going there the tombstone is just cool
Speaker:it looks amazing it looks like a big it
Speaker:looks like a big jukebox it's really
Speaker:really neat it and it and it stands out
Speaker:just because it's
Speaker:it it's not your typical headstone it
Speaker:literally looks like it's like about the
Speaker:size of what a jukebox should be it's
Speaker:it's gigantic and you can see it from
Speaker:Elliot ness's uh and for us we weren't
Speaker:really expecting to go to his grave but
Speaker:because you could see it from Elliot
Speaker:ness's grave and it was what is that
Speaker:neat we walked over and we was like oh
Speaker:and you can basically read his story on
Speaker:the tombstone yeah now I had read also
Speaker:that he wasn't originally buried there
Speaker:and then his ashes went to the Rock and
Speaker:Roll Hall of Fame for a long time and
Speaker:then the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Speaker:asked for them to remove his ashes and
Speaker:his his family put him in Lakeview San
Speaker:materials oh interesting yeah so I don't
Speaker:know what that's all about but that's
Speaker:kind of what happened there
Speaker:[Music]
Speaker:now there were some other ones if and
Speaker:I'm trying to remember so so of course
Speaker:we do we do Carl Stokes he's that first
Speaker:um mayor of a major city he's the first
Speaker:black mayor of Cleveland
Speaker:and we go to his grave we go to Garrett
Speaker:Morgan's grave he was an inventor the
Speaker:three-way traffic light in gas masks yes
Speaker:that's right I and I was pretty neat
Speaker:he's African-American he's
Speaker:African-American as well yes so so think
Speaker:about that let's pause really quick on
Speaker:that right traffic lights yeah like this
Speaker:guy invented traffic lights red yellow
Speaker:green like thing that everybody knows
Speaker:nowadays everybody Associates those
Speaker:colors with you know go stop and slow
Speaker:down all right speed up or the road rage
Speaker:or what have you whatever City that
Speaker:you're living in this guy Garrett Morgan
Speaker:Garrett Morgan invented that as well as
Speaker:gas masks I mean talk about two
Speaker:completely opposite things safety very
Speaker:safe yeah that's true that's right very
Speaker:safety oriented but I mean gas masks so
Speaker:what about do you remember when he no
Speaker:but they're very like premature gas
Speaker:masks like the basic the the precursive
Speaker:yeah precursors yeah what would actually
Speaker:be used and all that stuff yeah but uh
Speaker:that was just like it was such a random
Speaker:super interesting and he was kind of a
Speaker:little bit further away yes from some of
Speaker:them so this is a big Cemetery it's 235
Speaker:Acres yeah it's it was gigantic it's
Speaker:very big Cemetery so you have to it's
Speaker:again
Speaker:you have to know where you're going you
Speaker:have to get a map you have to kind of
Speaker:plot out the the graves like even for
Speaker:Garrett Morgan I remember we have his
Speaker:section and lot number but we had to
Speaker:walk around there for a little bit we
Speaker:had to look around for a little while um
Speaker:we go to Salisbury so I was gonna ask
Speaker:was that where Salisbury so this is like
Speaker:the Salisbury steak guy so if you walk
Speaker:over if you go and watch our video and
Speaker:the video link will be in the podcast
Speaker:you know notes description here
Speaker:um you know I kind of show like a quick
Speaker:picture of like hey what's a salisbury
Speaker:steak again yeah you know if you're not
Speaker:if you're not a big meat eater or
Speaker:whatever right but this is the guy that
Speaker:came up with the Salisbury Salisbury or
Speaker:this is you know it was named after him
Speaker:it was named after him so he comes he's
Speaker:a doctor who starts to see the benefits
Speaker:of a meat-centered diet so basically
Speaker:sees the benefits of high protein right
Speaker:and so the Salisbury steak is named
Speaker:after him was he wasn't he Scottish or
Speaker:something like that I think so but it's
Speaker:basically just a steak with gravy
Speaker:basically back in the day when steaks
Speaker:were really dry because you can imagine
Speaker:just cooking them over like kind of spit
Speaker:or something to wait to make them edible
Speaker:was probably to put some kind of gravy
Speaker:on them to eat them so thank you put
Speaker:some of the extra juices on yeah but no
Speaker:one of the bigger Graves we saw was of
Speaker:course
Speaker:John D Rockville yeah yeah his grave was
Speaker:huge it's huge he has a huge Obelisk
Speaker:yeah and he's buried I think it's so
Speaker:funny he's buried beside his mother yeah
Speaker:and his wife yeah shocker right between
Speaker:us yeah oh my gosh well and you know
Speaker:what I didn't know that you taught me
Speaker:while we were there is people there was
Speaker:all this money laying around money and
Speaker:I'm like not just not just pennies yeah
Speaker:it's like dollar bills
Speaker:yeah people leave money on his grave and
Speaker:they do that because
Speaker:there's a Superstition that if you leave
Speaker:money on rockefeller's grave your your
Speaker:personal money will multiply the way
Speaker:Rockefellers money multiplied but
Speaker:Rockefeller I mean he made his money in
Speaker:a way that I I'd say this on the video
Speaker:you can't make your money today he
Speaker:monopolized Standard Oil yeah he cut out
Speaker:all middlemen he overpriced so middlemen
Speaker:couldn't afford transportation and then
Speaker:once he owned all the oil he could jack
Speaker:up the prices yeah and so and again I
Speaker:didn't really understand this until I
Speaker:started making making the video when
Speaker:when Jen says monopolize the oil
Speaker:industry it was a true and legitimate
Speaker:Monopoly if so I do I show a picture of
Speaker:because the U.S government eventually
Speaker:they broke up Standard Oil they won't
Speaker:let you do that anymore yeah because
Speaker:it's not fair to and so there there's a
Speaker:tree so there's a picture right there's
Speaker:a picture kind of showing like when
Speaker:Standard Oil was broken up into three or
Speaker:four things and then three or four
Speaker:things from each of those was in all the
Speaker:big name companies Exxon Mobile all
Speaker:those they all were born from standard
Speaker:standard oil if you look at that video
Speaker:pause it on that section and just look
Speaker:at what standard oil was everything that
Speaker:came from it and you'll see all the big
Speaker:name oil oil companies today you're like
Speaker:oh my gosh he he basically owned like
Speaker:the entire world Supply yes you know and
Speaker:supplied oil to the entire world at the
Speaker:time yes he did and it doesn't support
Speaker:free market it doesn't know so not at
Speaker:all that's a smidge of a monopoly yeah
Speaker:but he so he tries to make good right so
Speaker:Rockefeller goes oh buy this uh these 22
Speaker:acres in Manhattan and I'll build all
Speaker:these buildings and I'll make it so I'm
Speaker:doing something good for society and you
Speaker:know we'll build uh Rockefeller Center
Speaker:and we'll build 30 Rock and we'll build
Speaker:a bunch of different things in that show
Speaker:30 Rock 30 Rockefeller Center yeah it's
Speaker:him yeah it's him
Speaker:so it's very interesting he lives to be
Speaker:a very old too he lives to be 98 years
Speaker:old so I mean talk about just a guy who
Speaker:just won't quit in every single way
Speaker:he was the first billionaire in the U.S
Speaker:and then um of course we go to
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Speaker:Garfield
Speaker:yeah that was cool James Garfield 20th
Speaker:president of the United States
Speaker:assassinated he was shot in the train
Speaker:station in Washington DC on September 18
Speaker:1881 and he
Speaker:um
Speaker:no actually I'm sorry he shot July 2nd
Speaker:1881 he dies September 18 1881 yeah and
Speaker:we now remind me that was his was the
Speaker:mausoleum we didn't get to go inside yes
Speaker:because of covet you couldn't go inside
Speaker:it's a large I mean it's it's a huge
Speaker:Monument I would love to go back and get
Speaker:a chance to go inside I mean at the time
Speaker:it was like 100 135 000 it took nine
Speaker:years to build so he dies in 1881
Speaker:like most presidents he lays in state at
Speaker:the rotundra and the capital then he
Speaker:goes on again like a a funeral train
Speaker:tour same thing they did with Lincoln
Speaker:yeah and he brought back to Cleveland
Speaker:and then he's put he's he's at Lakeview
Speaker:in a vault and he's kept there for nine
Speaker:years until they build this Mausoleum
Speaker:and it's it's huge we saw it's beautiful
Speaker:yeah stained glass windows gorgeous from
Speaker:the outside we weren't allowed to go
Speaker:inside and there's a big 12-foot marble
Speaker:statue of him inside and he's buried
Speaker:there beside his wife or they're not
Speaker:even Barry they're in tombs yeah so
Speaker:their coffins are visible with their um
Speaker:with the American flag and in the video
Speaker:I show some some pictures right that are
Speaker:that are publicly available online yeah
Speaker:so if you walk again if you watch the
Speaker:video you can kind of see what it looks
Speaker:like inside if you ever want to go visit
Speaker:for yourself I'd go back just to visit
Speaker:yeah it's really neat um
Speaker:but here's a he's a an interesting
Speaker:president because he's basically killed
Speaker:more or less by his doctors yeah that's
Speaker:right because he they keep this is
Speaker:before washing your hands this is if
Speaker:we're using gloves this is for
Speaker:sterilizing instruments so because he's
Speaker:shot in the back and it goes into his
Speaker:abdomen doctors keep trying to check for
Speaker:the bullet because he never got it out
Speaker:they never got it out and they keep
Speaker:trying to get it out and they can't
Speaker:quite find it and they keep sticking
Speaker:dirty instruments and dirty fingers he
Speaker:dies of blood poisoning gangrene and so
Speaker:his the defense of his assassin is that
Speaker:I shot him but I didn't kill him that's
Speaker:right that's right so that's what he
Speaker:says and he was actually and I didn't
Speaker:realize that he was actually a pretty
Speaker:popular president elected like he was he
Speaker:was very popular so he was a general in
Speaker:the Civil War he's a great orator what a
Speaker:amazing speaker and he was well educated
Speaker:he was taught at um college and that's a
Speaker:that's what some of the murals on the
Speaker:side of the mausoleum have him to being
Speaker:a teacher being a professor so and he
Speaker:was very well liked and that's at the
Speaker:time the two sides couldn't decide on a
Speaker:president and they both kind of dug in
Speaker:their heels and then someone said well
Speaker:what about Garfield I was like yeah yeah
Speaker:so that's basically how he won the
Speaker:presidency they called in the Dark Horse
Speaker:because no one expected him to win and
Speaker:then he won yeah he was like the one
Speaker:person that everybody could agree with
Speaker:mom like yeah actually I think he'd be
Speaker:pretty good like we really don't like
Speaker:these other two but he'd be pretty good
Speaker:pretty good yeah so that's how he won
Speaker:yeah
Speaker:um so that was that was neat and I
Speaker:wanted to see that so that was very
Speaker:important and
Speaker:this was the first time that we had
Speaker:brought the kids with us and
Speaker:um my middle son really took an interest
Speaker:because we had spoken about a school
Speaker:tragedy yeah that's right that was a
Speaker:monument that's right 169 children were
Speaker:killed in a fire in 1908 at a school in
Speaker:Cleveland and there was a
Speaker:a monument to them so I was talking
Speaker:about that and my middle son was very
Speaker:interested in that well and I didn't
Speaker:realize that that particular event again
Speaker:that happened in Ohio yes but it was the
Speaker:reason that they changed a lot of safety
Speaker:codes
Speaker:and part of what happened was that all
Speaker:the kids were trying to rush out of this
Speaker:cafeteria and the the doors swung
Speaker:inwards yes and not outwards and
Speaker:obviously they were panicking they
Speaker:didn't realize this and so now
Speaker:if you ever go into a a space like that
Speaker:all doors in large auditoriums like that
Speaker:they all swing out and that was that was
Speaker:because of this tragedy yeah and it's
Speaker:yeah it was very you know of course a
Speaker:lot of safety protocols born of tragedy
Speaker:you know and that was one of them and it
Speaker:was there's a lot of children you know
Speaker:so it was a pretty sad thing and of
Speaker:course my son took interest in that and
Speaker:so we had a we had to talk about that of
Speaker:course but um
Speaker:I think one of the other Graves we see
Speaker:here is Devereaux
Speaker:oh yes so that's just something that
Speaker:always stuck out in my mind as those
Speaker:three characters walking home from the
Speaker:American Revolution there's a famous
Speaker:painting and I just had always seen it
Speaker:recreated yeah right so so again most
Speaker:people listening to this because I had
Speaker:no idea sure right and I'm not sure you
Speaker:even did I mean you may have because
Speaker:you're super smart but most folks won't
Speaker:know Devereaux they won't yeah even
Speaker:trying to describe the painting of the
Speaker:three men walking kind of across a
Speaker:battlefield one kind of drumming one
Speaker:carrying the American flag carrying the
Speaker:Americans and one kind of injured
Speaker:playing the flute right and it's been
Speaker:recreated it's been recreated like
Speaker:Mickey Donald and Goofy recreated it I
Speaker:think they recreated a lot like in just
Speaker:cartoons and stuff and again we show the
Speaker:pictures on the video but it was just so
Speaker:neat so Deborah was one of the models
Speaker:one of the models for the painting yeah
Speaker:yeah the original paintings just kind of
Speaker:again such a random aside for such a a
Speaker:pretty famous painting yeah right again
Speaker:it's been recreated and reacted and you
Speaker:know across cartoons and all sorts of
Speaker:stuff if you look it up online or if you
Speaker:watch our video
Speaker:you'll recognize you'd be like oh yeah
Speaker:I've seen that before well yeah again
Speaker:this was this was such a fun
Speaker:one to do because it was unexpectedly
Speaker:just a nice afternoon
Speaker:um
Speaker:this was the first time that I thought
Speaker:of local cemeteries as places to visit
Speaker:and the first time outside of Arlington
Speaker:National Cemetery that I viewed a city
Speaker:cemetery as more of an afternoon
Speaker:destination on a nice day
Speaker:because you never know who might be
Speaker:resting right in your hometown
Speaker:so again thank you to those lists for
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